What made you decide the flatter out of orbit swing was not working out? What you have going now looks mucho better. Was the flat age an experiment to look outside the dots? Or did you find the "old stuff" hard to shake?

In so many words, I am an adopter of technology...if the means for faster air travel is there, I will use it.

Ditto for golf - though I admit I was swayed by one-sided and idealistic ideals...am now back to my ball striking best and that just about says it all.

I agree that the club should not go below the right forearm. Even though Floyd started the shaft too low as you said, he corrected this by shifting to a more vertical plane at the top by lifting his right shoulder after the flat initial move. I also like where you're going with the more vertical post-impact shaft. The current fad is swinging the hands way too far left. I look forward to the post-mod videos.

Why would you want to have your elbow at your navel? Would it be from a functional standpoint is it easier to deliver the sweetspot to the ball from there? Is it easier to be on plane with the right elbow at your navel? What is wrong with Stricker's amount of #2 angle? What are the advantages of having more range of motion in #2? Does it automatically result in more power and/or more consistency? Are snap releases some how inherently easier with more #2 and float loading?

The more and longer your right elbow is bent, the more and longer your left wrist is cocked. What you really want to do is get the bent right elbow past where your naval was at address, before the club is released. The more you laterally shift on the DS, the easier this is to do.

Here's the benchmark

http://home.comcast.net/~peter.dilla...side_clip.html

I assume this is OK, if not please delete the link - thanks.

I read on another golf website that guys who swung the hands "left" post impact could not putt. The people that the website cited included Sam Snead, Sergio Garcia and of course, the inimitable Ben Hogan.

Ball striking alone does not make good golf - it is merely one part of the puzzle.

Thanks for the link MJ.
And great clarification, that is what I have always understood, but through the years, I realise that many people have confused the "method" of the Maximum Trigger Delay as being to jam the right elbow in front of the navel on the downstroke - which almost always results in shanks.

I read that one too. Not sure if I buy the arguments though. It seemed as the writer figured that swinging left was all about steering - and that this steering over time induced the yips. But you don't need to steer to "swing left".

What you need to do is time impact so that there's still some release left. Relative to the pivot, the club head will then be moving away from the body so it's basically a push stroke. And the only way to keep the club head going down the line is to stay ahead with the pivot so the handle is going back in.

Hogan's hand path was outside - in relative to the target line while the club head path was more or less neutral.

I don't think he was of the mindset that swinging left was steering. Rather in a golf swing where the rotating pivot produces centrifugal force, swinging left actually creates centripetal force and to do so actually requires immense forearm strength. Over time, all that gripping actually creates scar tissue in the forearms which hamper feel in putting.

Great discussion guys really enjoying this ......reminds me of the old days.

So to ruin it all and go like totally tangential ....

1. If you were doing one armed push ups would you be more powerful more explosive from a slightly bent elbow or a max bend elbow?

2. Does this have any relevance to a swinger who has Extensor Action and right elbow Magic? Or is it more a Hitter thing?

3. I see Hogan getting his Right Elbow on his watch pocket not his navel.

4. If you did get your elbow on your navel wouldn't that imply a navel plane?

5. Didn't Homer say somehing about the planes below the TSP being less condusive to Snap RElease? Can't remember where this is to b found maybe in the "notes"? Anybody Understand his reasoning here?

6. If you need to slow down to achieve Snap does it add anything behond a steeper Angle of Attach?