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JerryG 08-03-2010 01:16 PM

Big D,
City will be visiting JerryG, not jerry1967.
I wish you would by joining him. The first thing we are going to do is compare hinge actions.

KevCarter 08-03-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 74768)
Big D,
City will be visiting JerryG, not jerry1967.
I wish you would by joining him. The first thing we are going to do is compare hinge actions.

My hinges are very squeaky. Is that bad? :)

Kevin

Daryl 08-03-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 74768)
Big D,
City will be visiting JerryG, not jerry1967.
I wish you would by joining him. The first thing we are going to do is compare hinge actions.

Oh boy. Different Jerry. Sorry about that.

KevCarter should have put on a "Clinic". I bet that Mini-sota has perfect weather this time of year.

DOCW3 08-03-2010 06:19 PM

Education
 
<<The three Basic Wrist Motions can be classified as:
4-A. Horizontal Bend and Arch (Clubshaft) Grip Motion
4-B. Perpendicular Cock and Uncock (Clubhead) Wrist Motion
4-C. Rotational Turn and Roll (Clubface) Hand Motion>>

What do we learn from the "Grip Motion, Wrist Motion and Hand Motion" additions? Or, what is lost with their elimination?

innercityteacher 08-03-2010 09:13 PM

I could see now why people swing.
 
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Originally Posted by jerry1967 (Post 74764)
So,,,you need to Swivel before Impact, then Hinge through Impact. Then, after follow-through, you will swivel again for the finish.


Thanks Daryl.

So I can try and keep the sequence right for my mind it should be (1)unco*k--(2)pre impact swivel--(3)hinge action through impact. Is this right?

All this should be automatic with a swinger, right?

The swivel starts about at my right thigh or should it be later or sooner ?


In my current "quiet swing," I lean left and (quietly ) bend my right wrist back and my elbow and then I (quietly) throw my Primary Lever down and watch the wrist uncock and the blade start to open before impact which is fine for precision. Am I steering? Oh, I get it, the Pre-Impact Swivel (PIS) carries whichever hinge is selected to impact. It is the momentum of the PIS that makes the Finishing Swivel (FS) happen.

I need an Oreo and a bathroom break! :) No, wait, I need a Minnesoota smorgasboard break!!!!

Daryl, you and OB would be welcome up North!

Pat

Daryl 08-03-2010 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DOCW3 (Post 74776)
<<The three Basic Wrist Motions can be classified as:
4-A. Horizontal Bend and Arch (Clubshaft) Grip Motion
4-B. Perpendicular Cock and Uncock (Clubhead) Wrist Motion
4-C. Rotational Turn and Roll (Clubface) Hand Motion>>

What do we learn from the "Grip Motion, Wrist Motion and Hand Motion" additions? Or, what is lost with their elimination?


Now and always we need to control the Clubshaft, Clubhead and Clubface. We control the three Basic Wrist Motions which controls them. We can monitor the Wrist conditions and Motions. Design your stroke pattern around achieving their control.

There are no substitutes. They are fundamental mechanics. Compensations cannot make up for the loss, misuse, neglect or avoidance of any one of them.

DOCW3 08-03-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 74779)
Now and always we need to control the Clubshaft, Clubhead and Clubface. We control the three Basic Wrist Motions which controls them. We can monitor the Wrist conditions and Motions. Design your stroke pattern around achieving their control.

There are no substitutes. They are fundamental mechanics. Compensations cannot make up for the loss, misuse, neglect or avoidance of any one of them.

Certainly! But, for example, 4-A is a Wrist Motion. Why add "Grip Motion?" Does this suggest how 4-A should be practiced?

Daryl 08-03-2010 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DOCW3 (Post 74781)
Certainly! But, for example, 4-A is a Wrist Motion. Why add "Grip Motion?" Does this suggest how 4-A should be practiced?


There are three defined Left Wrist Actions for normal use. Single, Standard and Double. Left Wrist Action is in Zone 3.

Single:
  1. Perpendicular Only
  2. (Clubhead) Wristcock.
  3. Wrist Motion Only.

Standard:
  1. Perpendicular and Rotational
  2. (Clubhead & Clubface) "Wristcock" plus "Turn and Roll".
  3. Wrist Motion and Hand Motion.

Double:
  1. Perpendicular, Rotational and Horizontal
  2. (Clubhead, Clubface & Clubshaft) "Wristcock" plus "Turn and Roll" plus "Bend and Arch".
  3. Wrist Motion and Hand Motion and Grip Motion.


One can choose Zone 3 to control one, two or all three. Clubface, Clubhead, Clubshaft.

Example:
  1. Standard Wrist Action "Zero's" out (by using a Flat Left Wrist) Horizontal Motion (Clubshaft Control) by giving Clubshaft control to Zone 2 Left Arm Flying Wedge.
  2. Hitters assign Clubhead Control to Zone 2. Swingers assign Clubhead Control to Zone 3.

These options are for creating a 2 dimensional Clubhead orbit follow a three dimensional path and make the Clubface Vertical for Impact. Only then, can Hinging control the Clubface Motion through the Impact Interval.

EdZ 08-05-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jerry1967 (Post 74746)
When does the rolling start to take place ?

For a swinger's sequenced release - When the left wrist is uncocked and the right arm starts to straighten

Daryl 09-11-2010 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DOCW3 (Post 74781)
Certainly! But, for example, 4-A is a Wrist Motion. Why add "Grip Motion?" Does this suggest how 4-A should be practiced?

Is one "Hinging" and one "Turn and Roll"?

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Accumulator #3 Hand Motion (4-D-0) is “Clubface Control,”
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The Left Wrist is Clubface Control – See 2-G and 4-0


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