Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 74774)

Please quantify "This much" because I see 1-L-6 going from horizon to horizon.
Could the Johny Miller comment ment the motion had arrived at "pure" horizontal hinge 5" before impact?

The Bear

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 74046)

Hey Jerry

Kinda sorta. It can feel that way to some folks but on its own your statement is not quite correct.

It is possible to over Roll , to Swivel through Impact. It is possible to Roll like all heck and bend the left wrist via Throwaway etc. Rolling alone wont guarantee a Flat Left wrist but not Rolling at all can break the left wrist down. So Rolling is key. Let me explain.

There's three kinds of Steering:
-holding the Clubface square to the Target Line
-holding the Clubhead on the Target Line.......covering the Target Line as opposed to Tracing the Plane Line with its accompanying Visual Equivalent the Arc or Angle of Approach.
-holding the Clubhead on a level or upward path. Not hitting down in other words. "Scooping" as its known commonly.

Compare these three forms of Steering with 2-C-0 and drawing 2-C-1 The ideal application. They are near opposites! This is the heart of the book's main message to my mind. As an aside, I heard Johnny Miller talking about Dustin Johnson's swing at the Open and describing a "5 inch section where the clubface remains square to the target". I think Homer might have rolled over in his grave after that one. That would be type one Steering.

The last two listed forms of Steering disrupt the clubhead's circular orbit, (geometry of the circle) and ruin the shot. The first one, the one to which you allude deals with the face angle and makes total compression impossible as the ball slides off the face as it would for a lob shot, Vertical Hinging. A great thing when you need it but not something you want for total compression.

The three forms of Steering are common logic, "seems as if" it should work notions , that dont work at all given that golf is a side on game played with hook faced instruments. Golf and pool are not alike in terms of the geometry of impact. No Sir.

But, as Yoda so eloquently states in his video about the Swivel, Rolling the Flat Left Wrist "will take you immediately to the next level." Homer put unusual emphasis on the preparation to Roll in 12-3-0. Section 6-The Top. pt 22. DELIVERY LINE ROLL PREP. So Rolling is a key, no doubt.

In my lessons with Yoda , he introduced me to what I consider to be a near Imperative, Both Arms Straight, Follow Through via a lot of work in Basic and Acquired. But then for Total Motion you need to make it all the way to Finish without bypassing Both Arms Straight .........something that is easy to skip. (This may have beens Moe's secret by the way, for there was a man that passed through Both ARms Straight on his way to Finish in Total Motion). The way out of Follow Through, is the Finish Swivel, the Rolling of the Flat Left Wrist back onto the Inclined Plane.


So, I believe, first you learn to execute Impact as a Hinge Action, Horizontal Hinging ideally for total compression, with a clubface that is square at Separation only (1-L-17). Then you learn to get to Both Arms Straight , which means you have completed the circular orbit (1-L-9 and 2-C-0) and Thrusted all the way Down (1-L-15) etc. Then you learn how to get out of Follow Through by Rolling a Finish Swivel. But its not just any old amount of Rolling its precisely Aligned Rolling that maintains the clubshafts alignment to the plane line. (1-L-6). All of which may remind you of 12-5-0 which would not be a coincidence.

You cant just roll the heck out of it and expect other things to fall into place. But for the golfer who has done some work in 12-5-0 The Basic Motion Curriculum it may seem like that. But he has executed Impact as a Hinge Action and maintained his Impact Hands and their associated Flying Wedge Alignments all the way to Both Arms Straight and satisfied the 2-C-0 impact geometry requirements and and and.

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 74793)

Standard Wrist Action Aligns the Power Package by the Beginning of the Backstroke. These Alignments remain undisturbed until Both Arms become Straight during Follow-Through.

Double Wrist Action Aligns the Power Package one Split Second before Impact. These Alignments remain undisturbed until Both Arms become Straight during Follow-Through.

Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 74792)

I need to restate and define:
The root of my concerns are related to –Swinging, horizontal hinging, sequenced release and TRUSTING my stroke to properly manipulate CF.
All with, a flat left wrist, lag pressure point and straight plane line all with “reasonable” balance, rhythm and a stationary head.
This thread relates a “through impact” condition, prior thread relates “roll starts where”.
Well, to me, they both relate to the same . IMPACT alignment(s).
The horizontal hinge rolls through impact with the rhythm of #3 accumulator transfer power made up of the residual #2 accumulator .
There are a Gazillion ways to do this and manipulations and adjustment and synchronizing and sequencing events occurring and methods of doing them. From the feet to the first joint on my index finger to my brain which TELLS me what to do, lets/makes it happen and evaluates it before I come to rest at finish.
The question in my mind is because every swing with every club of all lengths at a broad range of speeds each requires a different plan.
The narrow aspect of this is. What is a reasonable distance/interval prior to impact to have established impact alignment? Do I use release type, aiming point, etc. all of the above.
Or is it risk tolerance and trust on how close I cut it?
Because if late miss it is cut to right field but early it is snap to left field.
Maybe The answer is trial and error then lots of practice- BUT isn’t that where I was before TGM? With the expectations that IMPROVED alignments will make the difference?

The Bear

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 74795)

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Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 74782)

Ok let me try this again in word form, which is some what handicapped.

Imagine you are sliding your clubshaft along an Inclined Plane board. The shaft points at the Plane Line , Base Line at all times, right? But your eyes do not lie on this Inclined plane. They are way above it. And so, visually , to your eyes the clubhead does not "Cover" the Plane Line. It would if your eyes were on the same plane as your clubshaft. If you scoped the shaft like a rifle say. Instead , visually you see the Clubhead describing an Arc , an arc to a degree consistent with your Plane Angle vis a vis your eyes. The flatter your Plane the more arc your eyes will see. This Arc is inscribed on the ground , it is the Arc of Approach , the arcing clubhead blur you see with your eyes, despite the fact your clubshaft points at all times at the Base of the Plane. I

Its a visual , from your eye line only , a Visual Equivalent to tracing a straight line base line. Its a paralax point of view of the circular club head path , like looking at hula hoop from an off angle as opposed to having your eyes aligned to its plane.

You are making an on plane swing motion but your eye sees the clubhead travel in an arc. To attempt to visually see the clubhead travel a straight line (unless the shaft plane aligns with your eye line or similar) ....logical though it may seem, given our past experiences with pool or billiards etc is to Steer the clubhead, to cover the Plane Line with the Clubhead , visually. Which means that the Shaft is not traveling the Inclined Plane. In fact it leaves it.

All of this is the genesis of the putting Arc gadgit. The arc represents the same geometry as the inclined plane, is the same geometry as the string line that you run your putter shaft along, they all work together............as opposed to the Pelz putting rails say. "Straight back straight through" which, though you would visually see the clubhead cover the plane line would also have shaft leave the string line, on both sides of the ball. Its non planar in a clubshaft sense. The label on your putters shaft describes a "U" shaped arc and leaves the string line. The string line is a horizontal line on the Inclined Plane , which you could imagine as being comprised of hundreds of string lines that when viewed from "down the line" form an inclined plane.

gmbtempe, Its all very confusing in word form , I apologize .... an animation (which hopefully is coming soon) will hopefully allow more people to see the geometry. Once you see it..........you got it.