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Originally Posted by EdZ

A key difference is rotation, and the orientation of the shaft to the loading.

When you swing, you are loading the left wrist due to two primary factors, a startup swivel (rotation onto the plane) and going to 'end' (loading in the plane of the left wrist cock and getting 'under' the shaft)

When you hit, you are loading the right elbow with effectively no real rotation so rather than load against the 'top' of the shaft as in swinging, you are loading more on the 'side' of the shaft. A 90 degree difference - always loading the shaft at 90 degrees to the direction of the loading force in either case.

When you use a horizontal hinge 'hit' you aren't using the full benefits of CF and you are 'forced' to time the squaring of the clubface manually. In other words, since you didn't allow the rotation back, you must 'make' it happen coming through, which is an inconsistent way to play.

As combinations go, loading for hitting and then horizontal hinging isn't the worst, because it does make it easier to hit a draw. The question is the ability to control just how much draw.

The opposite case, loading for swinging and then angled hinging, is an easy way to hit a fade, and again, the question is the ability to control just how much fade.

The force vectors just are less compatible than for a 'straight' ball. As long as you understand the shot shapes that naturally result from each, you can play effectively with any combination. I suspect this is why Homer stated that hinge action does not differentiate hitting and swinging.

Just a quick one EDZ, do you think a Strong Shoulder throw on Hitting will compensate the draw/hook on Hitter using Horzontal Hinging? Or perhaps we can work on the grip a little bit too?

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Originally Posted by oztrainee

Just a quick one EDZ, do you think a Strong Shoulder throw on Hitting will compensate the draw/hook on Hitter using Horzontal Hinging? Or perhaps we can work on the grip a little bit too?

I wouldn't tend to put a shoulder turn throw with a hitting procedure. Far too difficult to have anything to 'push off of' with the right arm. The shoulder turn throw is much more of a swinger's move (strongly loading PP#4). Tough to time when to 'thrust' if you try this as a hitter, although with a very accurate aiming point, I could see a lot of power potential. A pretty advanced combiniation.

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Originally Posted by EdZ

I think you are right, as I am trying it out at present, very inconsistent. As I am more a less be able to charge for a service.. of being a "hooker". But anyhow, I am giving it a try as when it works I can sustain the lag a lot better.
Back to your post, do you mean that hitter can use the right shoulder throw with a very accurate aiming point? Just wondering how do we use aiming point concept in Hitting?

If you accelerate the right arm via pressure point #1 correctly, you will produce a angled hinge. It is the natural result of thrusting against power point #1.

HOWEVER

If you decide to use some kind of right arm acceleration via the magic of the right forearm, you can and will produce horizontal hinging. See Tomasello and my post on the subject (right arm thrust vs right arm participation)

Jim

I can't seem to find that post. The words should be interesting between participation and thrusting.

Dave

Jim

Thanks for the link. To me there seems to a subtle difference between right arm thrust with the tricep verus active participation which I am not sure I really understand. If the triceps don't unfold the right elbow then what is unfolding it that is active?

Thanks
Dave

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Originally Posted by davel

The right tricep is doing the work for both swings. The difference is that with "hitting" and using pp#1 you are actively pushing BEHIND the shaft, this automatically produces an angled hinge.

Now if you simply un-bend your right arm (actively and consciously like you would throwing a punch) you are simply using right arm acceleration and can easily produce horizontal hinging.