LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Was Nicklaus off plane? Thread: Was Nicklaus off plane? View Single Post #18 05-30-2010, 03:00 PM gmbtempe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 392 Originally Posted by O.B.Left That sounds really, really good, simple , easy to repeat. No shift of Plane Angles going down anyways. Meaning you are probably "Single Shift" (on the backswing Im guessing , although you could be zero shift too but its a rarity see 10-6-B you'd need those high hands and clubshaft to be zero shift). Anyways you're using the TSP! Which has tremendous advantages like being able to Startdown with your Right Shoulder and have it take the Hands Down Plane!!!! Hello 6-M-1 Downswing Sequence without needing to drop your Hands to a Lower Plane first. Its the Right Shoulder that takes the Bent Right Arm , the fully loaded Right Elbow for the Hitter down to its Release Point! There is no other way! Think about it. But the Right Shoulder must travel Down Plane. See 10-13-A Standard Shoulder Turn after you digest the TSP. Thanks to Yoda I now think about the business of the Backswing as being an effort to get the Hands and the Right Shoulder on the TSP at Top. They dont start out that way , together on that Plane at Address, they travel different paths to get there assuming a Right Forearm Takeaway. But that is the goal at Top! Cant do it with a Shoulder Turn Takeaway! You need to have your mind in your Hands. As for the under plane stuff after impact........it could be camera angle, it could be real. If its real, your divots probably point to the left. good stuff.....I am pretty close to zero shift, my problem is a poor start back swivel which gets the club outside the plane while the hands locate and start taking it up on the TSP. This can lead to an over rotation of the left forearm flying wedge and getting some pop out, which also tends to lead to a closed face. My divots are straight with a non curving pull. Its very playable but frustrating, can shoot very good scores but not great. I want to fix some of the things that are creating compensations now that I have a reasonable repeating motion. The Nicklaus pick was one thing I picked out, I have several notes I made from the Book that I have questions about compared to my pattern. your comments about the shoulder are spot on when I watch my videos, my right shoulder tends to go down below the TSP and hang back rather then move downplane. I think this can lead to some throwaway issues. I am re-cataloging all my components per the checklist to see how they fit, does anyone do this as laid out in the book? I know one thing, now that I actually understand the Book a lot better some of my preconceived notions are just flat out wrong about my swing. gmbtempe View Public Profile Send a private message to gmbtempe Find all posts by gmbtempe