[tongzilla]

That is you could be priimarily aware of just moving your hands and you may automatically with that thought and awareness have integrated a full shoulder turn with little independent arm motion- looks pivot controlled but is hand controlled.

An absolutely fantastic point!

The basic distinction here is - Are you primarily (not completely)-( i.e. not blocking out the body feel, awareness- or preventing it by not moving it) focusing on where and what the hands are doing- as they tell you what the club is doing, while having the body fully support that movement in both a geometric sense and also a physics sense - or Are you focusing on what the body is doing and the hands and club are somewhere in the background - doing something- who knows exactly. In the Hand Controlled Procedure- you start and stay with the basic concept and then work on having the body movement fully support that- it's a project completed over time. In the Pivot Controlled Procedure- it's a dead end in that - it is what you focus on- it is your procedure- you don't really build on it.

This is gold. Golfers need this information no matter what level they're at. It's so fundamental, all students who are serious should be made aware of this right from the start.

Back to the question- and an answer. You could also have someone that is pivot controlled on the backswing and hand-controlled on the downswing. You could have a player drift in and out of a hand controlled procedure and then not realizing all the issues- drift into a pivot controlled procedure.

More discussion needed regarding the last sentence, "...and then not realizing...". I thought the nature of the Hand Controlled Pivot is that you are aware of your Hands and what they're doing by definition.

With all of that said- Generally speaking or in theory the rofessional golf movements that have the quiet pivots, the supporting pivots, the efficient looking pivots- are hand controlled and the other ones are not. Again, you could have a beginner with a hand controlled pivot- that has a golf movement that is completely ungolf like- that doesn't support the on-plane motion of the club or the hands. Hand control doesn't do anything magically by itself- it's more like the christmas tree- you've got to have it in order to hang ornaments- it's the basic.

That's the thing people have to understand, just because you're using Hand Controlled Pivot doesn't mean you'll get great alignments, but it's still the correct procedure that should be used while one is making changes in their Stroke.