JB Holmes

[12 piece bucket]

I don't know . . . that looks like some Paddle-Wheel motion to me with an angled hinge?

I say Hitter on this one.

[tobell]

My guess is that he is pulling from the top--look how the club shallows-out on the downswing. Then he may switch to a driving (hitting) action once the club reaches the bottom of the pully thru low point, thus a 4 barrel swit. Just a guess. One thing is certain he is a very strong and quick Dude, and compression leakage is not a concern.

[YodasLuke]

After watching the video, I wouldn't peg him as solely hitting. But, anyone would say that there are lots of things to like. From the front view they showed on the broadcast, I'd say again that I LOVE the lack of right wrist cock. Beautiful right forearm flying wedge. The right forearm is in a wonderful position for one starting from standard address. And, at impact, it's fantastic. Does anyone have the front view on video??

[mb6606]

Horz. start, angle finish.

They showed a terrific down the line slow motion sequence Holmes split screeen with Daly. I wish I was quicker with the recorder remote.

[mb6606]

Is it possible to purely hit with that much hip turn through impact??

Commentators mentioned that Holmes has never had a lesson and knows nothing about his golf swing. He just goes out and hits it.

Kostis remarked that J Daly has very similar impact hips and Daly with a much longer backswing reached impact at the same time as Holmes.

Would that translate to Holmes = a slow start down and heavy through impact? Or does it give us any other clues?

[linedrive]

SwingVision Holmes vs. Daly

[hcw]

hits w/horizontal hinging

[Martee]

Hitter or Swinger as referenced in 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 respectfully, are patterns of an uncompensated golf stroke, is it not?

A Switter (msp) is someone who mixes hitting and swinging components to create a pattern that requires compensation to correct, else you end up switting which results in inconsistencies, poor results, etc. That was my understanding.

Looking for a 'pure' hitter or swinger is probably something you will not find on the PGA or even LPGA tour. But that doesn't mean the personalized pattern isn't of a hitter or swinger.

From the little I have seen of John, I think he is primarily a hitter with the wedges and irons. His driver looks more like he is a swinger. Having two patterns is not unusual.

[Bagger Lance]

Hitter or Swinger as referenced in 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 respectfully, are patterns of an uncompensated golf stroke, is it not?

True...and there more than just two uncompensated patterns.

Can there be 3, 10, 100, or more uncompensated patterns?

If not, why is there a Chapter 10 for variations within the 24 components?

I'm clarifying my thoughts on switting as well. When looking at a players motion and specifically each component, if something doesn't exactly line up with the recommended variations in 12-1-0 or 12-2-0, does that mean it's a compensation?

Just more food for thought. See 13-0 Non-Interchangeable Components

There can be incompatible components inside of a swinging pattern that are not specific to hitting and vise-versa.

Hummm...what tag line can we call those?

Swatting and Hitching?
Charlie Barkelys?


Thanks,

Bagger

[Martee]

True...and there more than just two uncompensated patterns.

Can there be 3, 10, 100, or more uncompensated patterns?

If not, why is there a Chapter 10 for variations within the 24 components?

I'm clarifying my thoughts on switting as well. When looking at a players motion and specifically each component, if something doesn't exactly line up with the recommended variations in 12-1-0 or 12-2-0, does that mean it's a compensation?

Just more food for thought. See 13-0 Non-Interchangeable Components

There can be incompatible components inside of a swinging pattern that are not specific to hitting and vise-versa.

Hummm...what tag line can we call those?

Swatting and Hitching?
Charlie Barkelys?


Thanks,

Bagger

I personally think people are too hung up on is this Pro hitting or swinging. It is kind of like they are looking for some model to pattern themselves after.

As for 'pure' well I think Homer only reference this in 7-2. I think most are using it to define an 'Uncompensated' stroke.

If you have a shift in your swing, that being a defined component variation, is not the ideal component selection, and one could in fact say the extra movement is unnecessary and is a compensation.

Non-Interchangeable Components definitely would require compensations to overcome their effects be it in a hitting or swinging pattern.