I have an additional question. When using an acquired motion, should the club finish below the hands or go to a finish above the hands? Or, does the answer depend on the desired trajectory and/or the length of the shot?
After just watching the Collin Neeman video in the Gallery, I'm confused. At one point, Yoda praises Collin for keeping the club below the hands. A short time later, still in the acquired motion chapter, Yoda tells Collin to go to a finish where the club winds up above the hands. Of course, Collin still maintains a flat left wrist, whereas I have a feeling that I lose mine once the club gets above my hands.
I generally go from "L" to"L," with my club definitely finishing above my hands. As mentioned in my earlier post, all too many of my pitches squirt off to the right. I will experiment with ending my motion at both arms straight, but I'd like to get clarification on this.
I think you can have do both.
You can finish with the club under the hands to both arms straight position or you can do a swivel and finish with the club over the hands.
Being able to finish (follow through is now finish) with the club head below your hands is important so that you can be sure you are achieving max lever extention (both arms straight) in the follow through, as well as the ability to see if you executed your pre-selected hinge action correctly. The finish swivel is an "addition" to the stroke...a true rotation of the forearms. As Yoda says when you can make a distinction between hinge action and swivel action...your game can go to the next level! If this is old news to you I apologize...but I have not posted in a couple of days!
What is the best way to feel the distinction between hinge action and swivel? I am having a hard time with swiveling, best shots come off starting to right and a slight fade. These are solid, well hit shots with some divot. I know a swivel will give me the right to left I am looking for, any suggestions on feeling the swivel?
To my knowledge it is important to keep the hinge action and swivel action as seperate identities because...well they are not the same. I have discovered (may only have personal application value) that when I achieve a "deep" follow through (understanding of the right forearms own angle of approach) regardless of which hinge action I employ I can transition out of follow through into finish using the finish swivel as the bridge. A hitter may feel that a simultaneous release (as opposed to a a swinger's sequenced release) is one long swivel action, but you still gotta execute a hinge action and achieve full lever extention (both arms straight). My best swings are those they make the finish swivel feel "automatic." Even when the club is coming up and in...my thrust is still down and out. Once both arms are straight it seems that there is no where else to go but swiveling back up against the plane. This is my convoluted way of saying I discovered the finished swivel after:
1. I understood it to be seperate from hinge action
2. I learned to take all strokes to both arms straight.
So using acquired motion first keeping the club below the hands then swiveling out of follw through into finish.
Address ain't impact and follow through ain't finish...unless you of course know the difference between the two and make it so! i.e. no finish swivel
If you study Moe Norman's swing then you will more clearly understand the difference between hinging and a swivel action. MN often finishes his swing with both arms straight and with both arms pointing at the target - which means that he doesn't usually have a finish swivel action in his swing. However, he often does use horizontal hinging in his followthrough.
Here is an example of MN using horizontal hinging.
I agree with your assessment. Question: do you think it is advisable not to execute and finish swivel? The reason I ask is that regardless of hinge action, the finish swivel still bridges follow through and finish. Watch Yoda hit bunker shots with a vertical hinge...then a finish swivel. That was a bit of a test for me...executing a vertical hinge then swiveling.
good points, it is amazing how effectively you can hit the ball with the club below hands in follow through. I know with a swivel action, thirty yards are in there somewhere.
If you study Moe Norman's swing then you will more clearly understand the difference between hinging and a swivel action. MN often finishes his swing with both arms straight and with both arms pointing at the target - which means that he doesn't usually have a finish swivel action in his swing. However, he often does use horizontal hinging in his followthrough.
Here is an example of MN using horizontal hinging.
Here is an example of MN's swing where he does not use a finish swivel action.
Jeff.
Wow. Speaking of hinging , we here ,would call that pendulum Moe displays "vertical hinging". I remember the days when people thought that "chasing the ball with a square club face" would produce straight shots like MOe or Byron Nelson.
When he actually swings he doesnt use vertical of course, nothing like his pendulum. More a nice, hold off, swinging left kind of shot during which he could have executed any hinge action he wanted. He didnt chose vertical for that crowd!
Im still amazed that Homer had this all figured out almost half a century ago. Moe's hands knew better than he did, I guess. Byron's too. I heard Mr Nelson recently during a replay of an old tournament he was doing colour commentary on, remarking about keeping the club face square for as long as possible to hit it straight. Dont get me wrong Im a big big fan of both of them. Two of golfs greatest.
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